Jeremiah Fraites of THE LUMINEERS - March 6, 2016
Updated: Nov 22, 2022
Jeremiah Fraites of THE LUMINEERS
Talks about the bands eagerly anticipated album: CLEOPATRA, Making of the “Ophelia” video, and writing melodies for
JENNIFER LAWRENCE to sing in
THE HUNGER GAMES
In the spring of 2005, childhood friends Wesley Schultz & Jeremiah Fraites began to collaborate, writing together & playing gigs around New York. After battling the city’s cutthroat music scene & impossibly high cost of living, the two decided to expand their horizons. They packed everything they owned—nothing more than a couple suitcases of clothes & a trailer full of musical instruments & headed for Denver, Colorado. It was less a pilgrimage than act of stubborn hopefulness.
The first thing they did in Denver was place a Craigslist ad for a cellist & the first person to respond was Neyla Pekarek, a classically trained Denver native. As a trio, they began playing at the Meadowlark, a gritty basement club where the city’s most talented songwriters gathered every Tuesday for an open mic & dollar PBRs. Neyla softened Wes & Jer’s rough edges while expanding her skills to mandolin & piano.
And so The Lumineers sound took shape; an amalgam of heart-swelling stomp-and-clap acoustic rock, classic pop & front-porch folk. In 2011, their self-recorded EP led to a self-booked tour & before long The Lumineers started attracting devout fans, first across the Western US, then back in their old East Coast stomping grounds. Young, old & in-between, they’re drawn by songs like “Ho Hey” & “Stubborn Love,” Americana-inflected barnburners in the vein of the Avett Brothers & Mumford & Sons.
The roots revival of the last few years has primed listeners for a new generation of rustic, heart-on-the-sleeve music — the kind that nods to tradition while setting off into uncharted territory. The Lumineers walk that line with a gift for timeless melodies & soul-stirring lyrics.
Powered by passion, ripened by hard work, The Lumineers have found their sound when the world needs it most. Now, four years in the making…they’re back with an eagerly anticipated new album!
All Access Music writer, NICOLE DEROSA had the pleasure of catching up with JEREMIAH FRAITES just before the release of the bands long awaited album, CLEOPATRA .
Hey there Jeremiah! Where does our interview find you today and what’s on the agenda today besides our interview?
Hey Nicole! Well, I’m at home right now & completely free this week. Besides our interview, I am also be picking out songs for a Lumineers Spotify playlist for songs that inspired the making of our second album, Cleopatra.
My brother in law is also in town, visiting from Italy & we’re going to play soccer in about an hour which will be a lot of fun & something I love to do when I am home, which is very rare. Afterwards, I’m going over to my bandmate, Wes’ house for dinner later this evening.
For those that have been living under a rock and not as familiar with The Lumineers and your music, who or what was the catalyst for you to want to live the life of a musical gypsy?
Well, I think part of the thing that made me want to choose this lifestyle was two things…I guess, first was seeing my father go to work everyday, getting up at 6 in the morning everyday & getting home at five or six o’clock every night. He provided an amazing life for my brother, myself & my mother. That was amazing of him but I also saw that classic, traditional work ethic of going to a job everyday for 30 or 40 years & not necessarily enjoying the job but doing it because he needed to provide for his family.
Secondly, I think I saw a lot of my peers after high school or college immediately finding jobs that paid well, but were not necessarily fulfilling them. It allowed for them to buy a house, a car, or a cool apartment in New York City or whatever superficial thing at the time but it didn’t make them happy. I said to myself, “I rather do something that makes me happy as opposed to something that makes me money”.
I just think that it made sense to me…ya know, that idea of do what you love. You know that old cliche, “If you do what you love for a living, you never work a day in your life…” Well, I do, do what I love for a living & I also work extremely hard, so I don’t know if that old adage is correct (laughs) but I am very blessed & I feel very lucky to have had all that success with our debut album.
Before our debut album ever came out, Wes & I wrote music for about five or six years (now going on ten years…) before we found any success. “They” said it takes about ten years to be an overnight success & I suppose that was true with us.
Your self titled debut album, gave us the memorable hit song, “Ho Hey” which would become the 10th song to reach a 60th week on the Billboard Hot 100 chart; eventually finishing its run at 62 weeks, as one of the highest runs in the chart’s history. What did you learn between your debut album and now that you felt you wanted to infuse into the album, Cleopatra?
I guess we learned a lot…one thing is that there was this big anticipation for our second album, obviously & I think there was this big pressure to deliver an epic album.
I think as The Lumineers, we certainly could have capitalized on the first albums success. In other words, we could have just put out another record, two years later that looked, sounded & felt exactly like the first one. I think a good metaphor is like winning the lottery & instead of buying more lottery tickets, we just took the money & invested it in the sense of finding all this success with the first album, we were very lucky to have with the success of “Ho Hey” but instead of trying to cheapen that experience or capitalize on it, shallowly.
I think we thought...okay, let’s make the second album grow & evolve & let there be a palpable difference in the two albums, both sonically & well, everything. Both lyrically & how it just feels. I think it feels more grown up & more serious & again, evolved. These are all serious words using to describe our music but I really feel like that. I really feel that the second album is more mature.
It’s pretty scary at times to think you will be remembered for just one song. I mean, “Stubborn Love” was an amazing single that went to #1 at certain radio stations & we ended up selling over 3 million albums worldwide, but I think being known for that one song, I think gave us more “gasoline in the tank” & more inspiration to write an amazing second album & show people that we’re not just a one hit wonder or whatever you want to call it. We are capable of delivering an entire album of high level material.
Jeremiah, you and Wes both composed the melody for the song “The Hanging Tree” which was featured in The Hunger Games: Mockingjay – Part 1 and was performed by James Newton Howard and vocals by actress, Jennifer Lawrence. How did that all come about and how was that experience writing for a soundtrack?
Well, it came about very organically. We had completed a song for The Hunger Games soundtrack called “Gayle’s Song” that is going to be on the second record. When we finished “Gayle’s Song” we were in the midst of being on the road, we were actually at Lollapalooza in Chicago & we had about six free hours that morning & we went into a studio & recorded “Gayle’s Song” which went on the first Hunger Games soundtrack.
The director of The Hunger Games, Francis Lawrence reached out to me directly & it was just like I said, a very organic request…he said, “Hey do you and Wes want to write some music and a melody?” In the book, The Hunger Games there is this poem called, “The Hanging Tree” & obviously it’s just words on a page. So this was a really cool, working backwards kind of homework assignment.
You know, typically….I'll find the melody first & Wes would write the lyrics & after the lyrics now write the melody. So, me & Wes worked on the melody & tried to imagine the Hunger Games character (Katniss) that Jennifer Lawrence portrays & being this center of attention in this war-like atmosphere & we tried to delve into this Appalachian-folky kinda vibe & sent it to them & they loved it!
I was just really blown away by what James Newton Howard did with that simple melody where it dissolves into all these complex chords running underneath it & it was just a really cool experience. And, to hear Jennifer Lawrence sing it…I don’t think she’s a trained singer, which was even cooler to hear because it’s very frail & vulnerable in a cool way, I really mean that in the best way possible.
“It was really neat to see this little melody on the big screen & in the movie, worked on by a world renown composer like James Newton Howard & sung by Jennifer Lawrence. It was a pretty crazy experience.”
Ya know, Wes & I write all this music for The Lumineers but also have all these other song ideas that we can’t use for The Lumineers, so doing something like that for a movie was a great exercise in continuing to be an artist & not something we would have done with The Lumineers.
You guys continued your musical efforts on the small screen too, by releasing the song, “Visions of China” which was featured in the AMC television show, The Walking Dead. Are you all big fans of the show as well?
To be honest, I’ve never seen an episode of The Walking Dead. I watched every episode of Breaking Bad & then I went back to an older show called, The X-Files & then we went on tour for three years (laughs) so, I haven’t had a lot of time to watch television. But, I love the song, “Visions of China” & I know that The Walking Dead is probably the biggest show in the world right now.
“That’s pretty typical me though…I usually don’t get on the bandwagon until it’s five or ten years after the fact. I know one day, I’ll watch The Walking Dead.”
What was the inspiration for your new single, “Ophelia”? Did you help come up with the treatment for the video as well?
“Ophelia” was really cool because that was the first song that we had written & 100% completed in the demo-ing process. We finished touring the first album, going on three years now in December of 2014 & then we started writing in January of 2015. By February, “Ophelia” was done in the demo stage & that was really exciting because I felt like it helped me understand the second album.
“I felt like “Ophelia” was this foundational cornerstone song that had to be completed before we wrote the rest of the album. And that was the first song on the album, so it’s kind of fitting that it’s the first song on the single or whatever you want to call it…”
Lyrically, I heard Wes talk about it often…he says that the lyrics sort of just fell out of him as a stream of consciousness & then they began to have meaning later for him. Specifically to this idea of after touring for three years on the first record, you sometimes feel numb & disconnected to what you are doing & doing the same thing every night & you are exhausted from travel.
“I think that after the first album & that level of international success would change anybody too, so the lyrics are about going through those internal changes within yourself, with your family & within the band. And also with how you perceive the world & how the world perceives you now too.”
It’s pretty cool because the lyrics are kind of vague at times, but also specific if that makes any sense. I think that fed in lyrically into the treatment of the video…this idea of us performing, as these kind of stoic statues performing on a stage & this sort of ghost-like figure that rises from Wesley’s body that starts dancing in the street without a care in the world.
It actually started to rain at the end of the shoot, which you can see in the video for “Ophelia”. That was not planned…that was no CGI rain! (laughs) That actually started to happen & it's one of my favorite scenes when it turns that corner & it's raining in Los Angeles. How rare is that? It was pretty great to capture it in that moment in the presentation of the song.
Nowadays, everything is so instant…you press a button and it’s yours ala Spotify, Soundcloud, iTunes etc. What was the first album you saved up your hard earned money as a kid and bought for yourself?
I can remember buying an album by the band, Bush. I can’t remember the title of the album but it had the song, “Machinehead” & “Glycerine” which was a huge hit…it had a lot of cool songs on that album.
I can remember going into a record store & my mother, ya know…she wouldn’t let me buy the records with the EXPLICIT CONTENT sticker. I was only allowed to buy the albums that were the edited versions. (laughs) I didn’t feel very cool in front of my friends with my “edited version”. I can specifically remember buying that Bush cd & just really falling in love.
“I can also remember spending a lot of the time putting in the cassette & making 20, 30 or even 40 mix tapes of songs. And if the radio DJ talked over the last part of the song, I would get mad & I would have to wait for him & then re-record it the next time it came on the radio again. I would get really angry!”
I would be really meticulous about collecting all this music & trying to do it “for free” which, little did I know…fifteen to twenty years later, that is how people were going to do it with YouTube & an infinite amount of songs at your fingertips “for free”. We live in a strange world now & it’s a strange time to be a musician. That said, I do think it’s also an exciting time to be a musician too. Change is not always bad.
What was the first song you fell in love with (or made a lasting impact) on you and why?
Well, let me think….I can remember… strangely enough, around the 4th or 5th grade, really falling in love with music for the first time & that was from the great composer, Beethoven. My brother got a Bach cd & we used to argue about who was better! (laughs)
I just love Beethoven. I fell in love with…not the symphony of Beethoven, but just him on the piano. I guess they are called, sonatas. His songs are just so beautiful & I would listen to them every night before I fell asleep. So, I fell in love with the piano & Beethoven first.
And then…I’ll never forget the first time I heard, “Smells Like Teen Spirit” by Nirvana come on the radio. I, of course recorded it off the radio on my little cassette player (laughs) & I just loved the guitar intro.
I wanted to learn to play that song on the piano, but as a kid, I didn’t understand how to play that guitar “dun, dun, dun, dunn, dunn, dunn, dun, chkk ckkk ckkk” intro on a piano. I didn’t know how to play that palm muting guitar sound on the piano. I mean now, I know you can’t do that. (laughs) That’s not what a piano does. I remember I was in love with the song but I was like, “I can’t play this on the piano” & I was so confused. (laughs)
“I just remember that time was kind of weird because I was listening to Beethoven but falling in love with Nirvana, Guns N Roses, Bush…& all these other hard rock bands at the same time, juxtaposed to the classical piano. I guess, I just love music of all kinds.”
Who is in your current playlist? What artists or bands are in current rotation for you?
I am at my computer right now & instead of showing you my playlist, I can explain to you my playlist. (laughs) Okay, so I have the song, “The Truth” by Dr. Dog, “The Suburbs” by Arcade Fire, “Everybody’s Got To Learn Sometime” by Beck which is from Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind soundtrack. I also have “A Day In The Life” by The Beatles, “The Ghosts of Beverly Drive” by Death Cab For Cutie. I also have “Hollywood Forever Cemetery Sings” from Father John Misty. And “Hannah Hunt” by Vampire Weekend.
“I’m just really loving the latest Vampire Weekend album, Modern Vampires of The City. I’m really, really in love with the Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind movie soundtrack too. It has that Beck song that I just mentioned & it has a ton of original songs by the composer, Jon Brion. It’s just incredible. So yeah, that’s just some of the stuff I’ve been listening to a lot lately.”